Dragonfly™ 2 FRN British Racing Green ZDP-189. If he does it himself, does he have diamond stones? The Manix 2 comes with more jimping so provides a little more traction. Delica® 4 FRN Zome Green. S110V—A high-end stainless super steel. Why, S30V of course. S110v is harder and more prone to chipping than m390. Im really learning a lot and still have about a week or 2 to make an order! I see M390 used in more high end blades than I do S110V. M390 for sure. Like, I cut through zip ties and plastic strapping incorrectly with it and don't have to worry about chipping. Very nice gift. The Vanadis 8 patent and datasheet do not make any direct … Additionally, as you might've seen from forum posts and reviews, S110V seems to be more for people that don't use their knives outside of what a knife is really designed to do. S30V offers an excellent balance of toughness and edge holding hardness. $120.00. FWIW, I live next to the ocean in Alaska and Ive never had corrosion issues with my S110V PM2. ). K390—A bit tougher than other super-steels, need oil, but it performs like a champ. Dragonfly™ 2 FRN K390. I have been told it can be difficult to sharpen but I have not needed to sharpen it as of yet. You can sharpen S110v or M390 with regular stones - it'll just take a very long time. Does he have someone else sharpen his Tenacious or does he do it himself? I like the pure blue more too! Delica® 4 FRN Wharncliffe. You might want to grab a bottle of this. Excellent edge retention. It's relatively easy to sharpen, holds an edge for quite a while and is going to be noticeably tougher than his current knife. The full flat grind is relatively thin behind the edge (between 0.020-0.025” depending on where along the belly you’re checking), and has a gradual flat face that terminates at the spine. So you’ve seen a PM2 before. how long have you been carrying your knife and how often would you say you use it? A lot of excellent discussion follows. and what's the worst would you say have you done to it? A challenge to sharpen but lots of performance in there. Delica® 4 FRN Red Trainer. Dragonfly™ 2 FRN Black. (also let me know if theres another model I should be looking at) :D. 3/7/2017 EDIT: Thank you guys all for the responses! Thank you for the reply! K390 VS Steel . Both are excellent steels and very stain resistant. I sharpen my own so this will not be a problem for me. Get whichever one appeals the most to you. oh wow, Ive never seen this before, thank you! Delica® 4 FRN K390. K390 is also relatively tough but not stainless so some care will need to be taken to prevent corrosion. S90V, S110V, and S125V appear to offer a superior combination of properties to the new M398. $140.00. An alternative to r/knives. Maybe you’ve had one… Both K390 and Vanadis 8 did have slightly less edge retention than 10V, however. Both steels are very picky about HT and the tempering processes to get them to that 61+ hardness range in production blades. I think what you have when people make this … Where does one acquire a laser protractor?? I don't think you can make some kind of line and say this steel is poor but 10V/S110V is great. Get him the m390, it'll blow him away! The edge is not as good as what I would get with my WE, but the edge was sharp, albeit a bit coarse and convex. I think, S110V additional alloying of 3.5% Niobium help stabilize matrix and add extra wear resistance. The angle measures 30 degrees inclusive on my laser protractor. I've just about done as much research as I possibly can about knives a girl can and here I need help... LOL He currently has a tenacious from when he graduated high school but he complains how it dulls fast and tarnishes once in a while though he has always told me he wants a 'paramilitary. What is the best knife steel? How long have you have/used your blade with M390? Not to be confused with the more popular M390, but has a great deal more edge retention. Also m390 is a true stainless and being in Florida, I'd recommend m390 based purely on the stainless aspect. Delica® 4 Ti / Damascus. I dont have as much experience with M390 in EDC use, but considering how well S110V performs and resists corrosion on its own I imagine that you cant go wrong with M390 either. Elmax. It names K390, Cruwear, and Maxamet as the writers favorite steels. It also has better wear resistance and is less prone to chipping. Ive read of others complaining of edge stability issues, but Ive never experienced that to any meaningful extent in my own uses. Below that to paraphrase Jim Ankerson, it's like running a Indy car on flat tires. K390 VS M390 . Usually, I reprofile everything at 30 degrees inclusive on my Wicked Edge. CPM-S110V exhibits many of the same qualities as S90V. $145.00. If we get a chance to test the toughness of these steels ourselves we can check to see if this is born out … $290.00. K390 is the closest to A11, 10v or K294. However, if you will be slicing through things like cardboard, zip ties, paper board, cloth, or mildly abrasive organic materials it will keep a good working edge for an absurd length of time... and by absurd I mean that youll still be clean slicing paper after cutting up a ton of cardboard. But this time, because these hard steels can take a while to reprofile by hand, I used an old Worksharp. Prying, improptu screwdriver, cutting when teh blade could hit cement or other hard surfaces....S110V sounds like it won't handle those situations very well. The blade shape, a clip point in most spec sheets, has a nice gradual belly, and a very flat spine, once you’re past the *sharply jimped* thumb ramp. Like S30V, it doesnt keep this level of push cutting sharpness for very long in use. as in, which steel is less prone to chipping. I doubt that S110V would suit to be consider as a good blade steel since it has too much carbon/alloy. Now you can argue against HC steels in general, but given the mass promotion of steels such as k390 being promoted as some kind of "super" blade material, it seems obvious that the same people would have to say 121 REX would be "super duper". Re: S30v vs s110v Post by bdblue » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:44 am wrdwrght wrote: I do worry, I must confess, about chipping my Native5 and Manix2 LW in S110V in some unexpectedly weird EDC task for want of the toughness my first-mentioned Native5 seems to have. The K390 datasheet shows it having slightly less wear resistance than 10V. It will keep a working edge longer than M390 but M390 will keep a razor edge longer. I say this somewhat tongue in cheek, the real answer of course depends. In short, you cant go wrong either way. In all, Chromium gives surface protection but take/degrade matrix strength & toughness. In operation since 1998, BladeForums.com has led the industry since Day 1. I have never owned S110V so I can not speak of it. In this section, we’re going to compare our steel with other steels, and for this, I use four criteria; Edge Retention, Corrosion resistance, Ease of Sharpness, and Toughness, and I use a scale or note from 1 to 10. When custom makers like RJ Martin, Phil Wilson use it, and a company like Spyderco uses it in exclusive sprint runs, including it's own forum knife, you know it's one of the very best steels out there, provided it has the correct heat treat of HRC 62-63. What dont you like about the 90v or 110v? M390 in my own experience can have the shit beat out of it and still keep working. Ive read a lot about this in my research but nothing was conclusive. Hi there, my boyfriends birthday is coming up and I was looking to getting him a Spyderco Paramilitary 2 for his birthday! Delica® 4 Stainless. M390 can take a serious razor edge and retains it for a good while, as well as being very corrosion resistant. $95.00. Hey Blunt, Don't monkey around with that cheap S-110-V. Go get some S-125-V. You will be much happier. Well, here is my take on the original question of M390 vs CPM S110V have quite a bit of experience with both steels in a variety of knives at different RC hardness ranges and geometries. ive read about the difference between a mirror polish and a 'working edge' but didnt exactly know what these terms meant between steels :o. Spyderco Paramilitary 2 vs Manix 2 : I find the Manix 2 equally comfortable in my hand compared to the PM2. $105.00. The lower chromium content of those steels means they have more vanadium carbide rather than chromium carbide, so they are expected to have similar edge retention with lower carbide volume. The primary difference is out-of-this-world edge retention at the cost of a minimal reduction in toughness. K390, however, has a very similar looking microstructure to 10V. The matrix of these steel will has shitload of carbide which opposed to the lower martensite structure remainded thus this steel would has very poor edge stability/toughness. You may want to pick a set up for him as well. Oh wow, thank you for the response! K390 has edge retention that is around 30% higher than S110V. It will definitely help prevent corrosion. The ParaMilitary 2 has a blade shape, grind, and spine thickness (0.15”) that all comes together in a very simple looking manner. If you frequently use your knife to slice up cardboard, there may not be a better steel than CPM-S110V. All things pocket knives. Do you know how many treatments a bottle goes? Ideally, I want to get him something that wont tarnish and won't chip! and what do you sharpen yours with? K390 is a very wear resistant steel and should fall into a similar performance class as S110V but composition wise the S110V has a lot more in it and it is stainless. The Spyderco Round Hole allows for ambidextrous opening and index and thumb jimping on the blade provide a very secure grip. The M390 one is a bit more exclusive if that matters to you. 10V, K390, S110V and K294 all seem in the same range of super high edge retention with reasonable toughness. So s110v is an improved s90v. Made by Crucible in the USA. CPM-S110V. :o. I'd recommend M390. Thank you guys so much for the help! $135.00. Short answer, it is the European equivalent of 10v/A11. $120.00. Dragonfly™ 2 Emerson Opener . I see, I'll keep that in mind! $120.00. Both are quite corrosion-resistant with the edge to M390 Both Vanadis 8 and K390 have reduced vanadium compared with 10V so this is perhaps expected. 60 HRC. ah okay, definitely leaning towards M390, thank you!! To me S110V performs like S30V on steroids, and funny enough Ive had worse chipping issues with S30V on the exact same knife pattern. ', From my research, I understand that both should be corrosion resistant? It also has better wear resistance and is less prone to chipping. Never hear anything bad about it. $165.00. I really do appreciate all the advice I've been getting! S110V has very large carbides so it's harder to sharpen and it won't take quite as keen of an edge. S110V has very large carbides so it's harder to sharpen and it won't take quite as keen of an edge. Plus the m390 isn't as abundant as s110v variants so it's a tad more special. M390 vs S110V: I have a knife with M390. From my point of view the usability of S110V isn't very far from ceramic. Both are quite corrosion-resistant with the edge to M390. I don't believe s125v is even available anymore. Just wanted to let you know in so many details that neither of these steels is a bad decision with this knife platform. Discussion in 'Maintenance, Tinkering & Embellishment' started by ricklee4570, Jan 30, 2014. I have a blade in it and frankly, it's quite nice. So far I like it but have not used it much. Also, the PM2’s pocket clip has four mounting positions versus only two on the Manix. http://www.catra.org/pages/products/kniveslevel1/lkep.htm, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. When I lived in Ga (which is known for its humidity) I never had issues with it either, and its been covered in sweat quite a bit. We live in Florida so it is pretty humid. Also, which one is more durable? It's a bit harder to get a PM2 in M390 as well, so it could make for a more special gift. Considering sharpness, I can get S110V sharp enough to whittle free standing hairs. I agree K390 has better edge retention than s110v, says maybe by 25%. And s110v is anything but "cheap" in any sense of the word. These two steels have to be pretty close for edge retention. Both of these steels are a real bear to sharpen up! but some say m390 is better in that regard... Can someone explain that? Press J to jump to the feed. The only real maintenance I do to it outside of the occasional touch up is keep the pivot lubed,wipe the blade dry if it gets wet, and keep things like food and adhesive from building up on it too much. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It is FAR less prone to chip, and easier to sharpen. S90V is the closest stainless steel to K390 that I am aware of. It will keep a working edge longer than M390 but M390 will keep a razor edge longer. Hey Tiguy7, is there a s125v stealth knife in your collection? :o, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast.