As you state if you receive a poorly manufactured ball then it could be no fault of the player. Finally, by no reasonable measure did the MG outperform the Pro V1. Q: Should I use the ball I play with when I’m getting fit for golf clubs? It’s still up there for the 115mph swing, just not the longest. Interesting to see where my current ball (Chrome Soft X) places on the ball speed chart. Performance is consistent. However, with MTB-X’s standard deviation of offline being 21.52 and that of 21.52 and that of of its spin axis being 5.43, all in all it seems to me that the costs of playing the Snell MTB-X are far greater than the benefits. What do you think? My experience is most quality urethane balls perform well. So Tony, can you explain why the carry distance for the Snell MTB was so much lower than other balls with the same or higher ball speeds? However in all your metrics, they seem to be slower/shorter/wilder/less consistent than the competition. Address: Sandbox Space, 22-1, Jln Radin Bagus 3, to play with whenever and wherever you want. After warming up with my iron simply switched to the Mizuno and right away got an extra 1000rpm. Is there a plan to test 2-piece golf balls in the future? They test, and re-test, and test again, and then deep dive outliers, anomalies and head-scratchers to determine if the results are either substantiated or just a fluke. Thoughts on what ball had the most consistency from shot to shot? Prior to getting ill with cancer over the last two years (and aging), I was at 108 – 110 MPH with the driver and the upper 80s with my middle irons, and the Srixon Z-Star XV or TM Tour Preferred X (now the TPx) were my balls of choice. I LOVE the Snell Get Sum and will continue using them as long as I’m able to play. Couldn’t tell. Buy a 4 or 5-pack…costs $42.99 each. It was good to actually see the compression test/distance spin at different swing speeds, that was an eye opener for many I’m sure. Great article – this is exactly the data we’ve all wondered about, and the charts and graphs really help illustrate differences and allow for comparisons. Around $20 per dozen and perform on a par with much more expensive balls in the data. Of course, that has to do with my swing. Nothing we believe to be absolutely identical. You take those same putters and golfers and come back tomorrow and run the test again and I’d put a paycheck on it that the results would be different, and perhaps even vastly different. When I compared my Bridgestone Brx combined driver & 7i distance, I get 411.44 for Brx & 408.12 for MTB-X for the two shots. Of course, if one randomly selected ball from Brand X performs inconsistently, then that’s valuable data about manufacturing tolerances. I think trying to form decisions based on this information alone would be a big mistake. I too am in that 105 mph old man category and always looking for distance while maintaining control. And while I also understand that tour contracts and other marketing expenses do lead to increased retail costs, I personally wouldn’t/buy or play a ball from a company that doesn’t have at least one employee with their name on a golf ball patent. At lower swing speeds, several of the low compression balls moved into the average range, though none – with the possible exception of the OnCore ELIXR – could be considered long. As you can probably imagine, the ball test was quite an eye-opener for us, and consequently, we’re looking at ways to both talk about and present golf balls differently. Can you shed some light on how accurate trackman (or whatever launch monitor was used) is in capturing mph, rpms, etc.? This is likely typical noise in the data; and the actual variations/deviations of performance are not as large (range size of the data from min to max) as might be extracted from the data averaging. This test is amazing. Anyone who says you cant have both perfomance and feel hasnt ball tested enough yet. As I think I’ve said previously in this section, I personally wouldn’t play a ball from a brand for which nobody at the company owns a patent in the ball space. First impressions are very favourable. I’ll ask around and see what the ball guys think. Great article! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1_YllqrEE8, TXG Tour Experience Golf I love y’all. At slower swing speeds, the majority of balls are concentrated between 201 and 203 yards (carry). I can’t un see what I saw so now my friends will be gifted all of my current chrome softs and I’m off to buy some ProV1x. The feel off the putter and hope it reacts off the putter is the info I search for and I’ve played the same ball for 11 years. THANK YOU for your hard work. What where the references or guidelines for dividing the balls into the different catagories? I’d draw a parallel with the TaylorMade TP5 and TP5X. The dispersion numbers are troubling from a data analysis standpoint: If there is that much standard error in the robot testing/data, then the differences (ranges described) between the longer and shorter balls may be mis-placed or erroneous. DID YOU KNOW: If only 1% of MyGolfSpy readers donated $25, we would be able to become completely independent in 12-months. , tee time, number of players, and green fee. That’s my plan for this year at least, but this definitely gives good info if I decide to change things up. This way you can be sure you have reviews you can trust. I thought it was the cold weather. I’m interested in this as well. I first used it in a big provincial ( State) tournament and it was excellent. Not difficult, just a little time consuming. In a 20/40/40 split, I got (Only had Bridgestone, Vice, Titleist, Srixon, Mizuno, Snell in the comparison) Noticeably less spin on the driver and more spin on the scoring irons. Would that make you lean towards a Titleist or Bridgestone as the best all around ball to play? Also, it is perfectly acceptable to wonder why the same ball in different colors produced different performances. There were multiple reasons why CS rated low. Over the course of the test, there were several “holy shit, did that just happen” moments. But, since you asked, I think the whole #consumerfirst mantra is a little misleading, unless they are talking to the manufacturers and retailers (wink, wink). Well looks like I have to test the PROV1 vs SNELL MTB based on my specs. You confirmed my suspicions about Bridgestone and Titleist as they make high-quality golf balls that perform very well compounded by the fact that they control the manufacturing process from start to finish. Could just have the avx and pro-v 1 x. After lining it up as instructed it became a beautiful cut. seems to be a great deal of trolling in these comments. So this is where the “Aha Moment” happened. Blue is better than Grey though neither is notable for any area of performance. Back on topic…we tested with a robot, outdoors, full flight. Walter, my test results wouldn’t be any more beneficial to you as these are. On wedge shots, dispersion is generally excellent, with all but one ball (QStar Tour) falling within a yard of the center line. What is not being paid for in monetary costs for the MTB-X is being paid for in tremendous inconsistency, namely in standard deviation of spin axis and stdev of offline. Maybe both?? I’ve just moved to CSX TT and I love it so v interested to hear you say that it’s different to the CSX. Why spend $48 when you can spend $32 for a dozen balls? Reviewing the data (and selecting both 85 and 115mph for a 100mph average), it seems as though YES, it’s about 5 yards shorter than the ProV1 off the tee, but it also seems to be about 5 yards longer with the 7i, and a yard or two longer with wedges – launches higher, spins less, so this makes sense. One thing is for certain, I do think these guys have a cool job if they can make a living conducting one-off “tests” of golf equipment, good job there. Its performance and design make it stand out from other golf balls in the market. Is there a plan to do a ‘non-tour’ ball test? Thanks for the good work! Gee I didn’t realize a test of this magnitude was to educate buyers, thanks for the tip. Thanks for the great ball testing! Best Ladies Golf balls for women in 2020. Compression testing of urethane covered ball models also uncovered significant variation (standard deviations above 2.5) in several models, including Callaway Chrome Soft, Cut Grey, Maxfli Tour X, Vice Pro Plus, and Volvik S3. Tony: You just hinted at the elephant in the room in my eyes — the robot. Can you explain the large jump I’m shot area when you select the box for both 85 MPH and 115 MPH? I’m guessing the S-100 is the compression, so just trying to figure out which Bridgestone ball is most like the TourStage S-100…. Best Guide Ever! Our testing found some major inconsistencies in some ball models that resulted in shots that flew 20 yards or more offline (in high-speed testing). How fast is high speed and how much is high spin? Next quikie test just do 100mph to satisfy the masses & fill the missing data space. Surprised to see the pro-v and pro-v1 x data. Thanks. His control around the green was amazing and he putted lights out with it. Looks to me like the ProV1X rises to the top when you look at consistency and averages. You can extrapolate compression consistency using the standard deviation chart. The higher the compression value, the harder the ball will likely feel. Did MyGolfSpy just kill the “soft” ball market? curious what the angle of attack was with the driver… did yall fidget with that ? Wanna know how I know that this is a comprehensive, unbiased & well presented report? I think the More Senior Men crowd is pretty close to that swing speed too. Because it ensures consistent contact from swing to swing. I know usually higher compression feels harder but not always. As the size of the ball is smaller it naturally leaves behind some ways for which it is more recommended to the golfers. Did it increase by 2.5 yards or decrease by 2.5 yards. Driving Range is designed so that Deemples caters not only to existing golfers, but also to new golfers that want to get into the game. Driving it 4 to 7 yards farther, and hitting the irons a half club longer. In general, when you can, you want to avoid severe temperature shifts as it can cause balls to degrade faster. If you are normally a straight hitter with questionable distance control, this probably isn’t your ball. I ultimately settled on a chrome soft or chrome soft x, finally going with the x in truvis. This is the most comprehensive test I’ve ever seen. Hmmm, I did post it but I guess it got deleted or something. I am interested to hear your thoughts on the Bridgestone Tour B XS. I’d be interested in the salt water float that Bryson does and whether this center of gravity marking has any effect on consistency. Interesting and good to hear that your tests proved different than MGS as far the dispersion off the driver. This required putting different weights on certain categories which is obviously an in-exact science. Just wish they’d bring back the Pro’s to run their golf departments. I certainly don’t feel like my swing is any less then it used to be although at 57 I realize I’m not 30 anymore. The spreadsheet allows you to enter your swing speed of choice and compare whatever balls you’d like. Great review! Even if all of us switched away from soft balls tomorrow, it’d take years before the masses moved away from softer balls. I do however like the feel around the green with the Kirkland and I putt very well with t too. Thanks. I don’t have a driver swing speed of 115, but i am consistently over 105, usually 108 or 109. -the ball generates 2 miles less ball speed vs proV1 with driver (could result in shorter distance) but it carries further (0,5 yard) and more online than the proV1 is this due to the lower backspin? Is there a way to tell the difference ? Blue is short of wedges, and while in an of itself, that shouldn’t be a big deal, we did see some things in the ball flight that were cause for concern. I shoot low to mid 80’s with occasional 79 and I don’t really care to drop $45 a dozen balls into the drink. While some pros do play the retail ball (Tiger’s Tour B XS is the same as what’s on shelves), nearly every manufacturer has a secret menu’s worth of tour-only balls available to its professional staff. No, the numbers aren’t exact, but that’s not because the logic and the math aren’t solid, it’s because of variances in the balls themselves. Thanks for all the time and effort put into this test! Iron spin differences from lowest to highest can vary by upwards of 2000 RPM. and academies take advantage of this feature to also create clinics that enable new golfers or even seasoned golfers to have access to golf instruction and golf coaching at the driving range. In fact, I just looked at the raw data for driver. Consumers will. Very Good was solid to exceptional performance, with a red flag or two in the data or because of something we observed during testing (Snell MTB-X looks incredible in terms of launch and spin and speed, but we did see the occasional ball wonder off the target line. I certainly do (driver speed = between 96 – 102 MPH and 6-iron between 80 – 82 MPH). It’s like the Uber or. Callaway hasn’t brought any massive change in making of this Bridgestone B RX? there’s a few holes in the data and as a mechanical engineer i could be skeptical of some of it. Callaway should publish numerical data rather than words that support their position. I see you tested the 3 piece Kirkland ball. Bubba might have given them a bad rap when that 1 year trial didn’t work however people should at least try a sleeve for themselves. While some Surlyn offerings may offer more distance, urethane balls will spin more, and perform more consistently on the various shots that you'll face around the green, and across the entire golf course. We are independent, unbiased and always put the #ConsumerFirst. The idea that time to roll is a significant factor is also a myth. The ding (and really the only significant one) on the XS was that compression wasn’t as consistent as the other top balls, and so you do find some inconsistencies in other metrics that are likely related. That said…and I doubt it’s something most golfers have ever really thought about…we observed that the surylyn covered balls jumped more and spun less (on a relative basis) when wet. Basically, is there a noticeable difference and should I switch balls during late Fall, Early Winter. Glad you included std devs – some interesting outliers in those data. I can increase positively 2.5 yards and increase negatively 2.5 yards. Just as long as “the big guys” , more accurate with the wedges and putted great with them. I know I did. The golf ball is the only piece of equipment every golfer uses for every shot. I don’t understand how robot testing in a controlled environment could produce some of those dispersion numbers, unless wind varied greatly on different days or something. Just bought 4 Dozen Maxfli Tour/Tour X…..looks like I did good….got them for $20/dozen. So I started by clicking both the “fast” and “slow” club speed and added the combined distance of the driver and 7 iron together for some of the balls I have already tried out. Buy a 2-pack…costs $44.99 each. ProVs were always better. Any reasonable person would expect a different result. Deemples scoring platform doesn’t allow you to key in your own scores, making it the fairest handicap system available. It has been constructed in such a way that its performance is delivered equally. Sometimes it really is the ball. An excellent piece of work! I wish I had a perfect answer for you. I look at 7iron and 100mph swing because that’s my game, and heck the q star tour is a solid option. Its length off the driver (by far, the longest at 115mph), is complemented by some of the highest spin numbers recorded in the wedge test. You can consistently find Srixon Z star for $30…..vs $32 for higher end Snell. Great information love the website. I’m so impressed at how comprehensive this test is. I hit far more irons than drivers. Love MGS!!! This helps to reduce drag as well as strengthens trajectory, which also provides more stability in all possible conditions. Bob, I should have reread your original post first, then I wouldn’t have asked some of the questions you already answered , sorry. Best testing I have seen by far, bar none. If you’re trying to save a few bucks try the Maxfli Tour CG’s. Great Read and congrats on all the hard work. I play all sorts of balls so I need to find one that works. As usual you guys did a bang-up job on presenting the results. Balanced balls are an indication of quality control so knowing XX balls out of a dozen are unbalanced would be useful. I removed all others. On the course, I’ve been using Bridgestone e6 soft. $10 to $12 a dozen as I recall. Please sign me up for the newsletter. So, we help find the best performing clubs and then help consumers get them at the best prices. Like the Snell, we did observe some wandering with TP5X (same with ZStar XV) and as we noted, we found a single TP5 with a visibly raised seem. I have been playing a “soft” ball for years… Recently switched to the Snell MTBX and WOW! A long, soft, cheap ball, with relatively low driver spin. I can guarantee you that product coming from the manufacturer to your facility can be a good batch, a hotter head or a painted shaft, tour use only equipment or product. The general interpretation that MGS seems to have made is that low compression balls are a detriment to performance, even for the 85 mph SS. Titleist and TaylorMade are doing the same marketing (with an additional personalized freebie). They’ve been great all around for me but have really shined with the wedges. The other day, I hit a 230 yd drive with my Callaway 3 wood. It’s almost a different story for each golf course, and we’re always excited to tell these stories to our readers. Compression Chart, I realized it was time to think–”Damn the harshness—full swing ahead” and just power through the moment of impact—-no matter what I “FELT”. and revise it everytime a new score is submitted. If that is not enough to convince you, consider this; at the fastest speed tested, the distance between the longest single ball and the shortest in the test was an astonishing 38.77 yards. Doesn’t seem like most golfers would fit into senior swing speeds or tour average? Driver-Wedge the MTB-X is less than 1 yd shorter than the best (Maxfli Tour). I’ve played CUT balls for over 6 months now and have not experienced the durability issue… I wonder if this is directly related to changes in their 2019 version… the guys at TXG noticed significant changes in performance between the previous and the newer version (particularly in spin). “*While it’s not absolute, selecting both High and Low swing speed will give you a reasonable approximation of performance at a 100 MPH driver speed.”. SO, in short this is all awesome info and having it provided for free is something I appreciate. My reason for testing, just like you and everyone else, if a ball can enhance my game, I want it even if it’s brand xxx.. What would you recommend? I’ve read through many of the comments and been active in the MGS Ball Test forum thread as well. Once you have at least 5 scores submitted by others on Deemples, the app will then calculate your. As for your question, I believe MGS already stated they’d redo the tests every year. You’re not going to find a ball that’s draw or fade bias. Thanks. Tony: I was also wondering if you actually had individuals down range measuring the carry distance and distance offline rather than trackman data. This was an interesting study. These low compression balls allow drivers to tee off with maximum distance in mind and a sight on the green. Most drive the ball between 180 – 240 and score mid to low 90’s to mid to low 100’s if they’re scoring honestly. During the spin you mark it. “The best golf gloves – why you should get a grip on golf”, Golf Lessons for Beginners Exclusively on Deemples, Johor Competition 21 Nov IOI Palm Villa Golf & Country Resort, Johor Competition 18 Oct Ponderosa Golf & Country Club, Best practices for hosting golf games on Deemples. I also didn’t notice that much off line dispersion off woods or irons, pretty straight . The key takeaway is that what your favorite golfer plays has no bearing on what’s right for your game. Now if this damn snow would just go away so I could get out golfing. Now I know. Since I started playing Chromesoft ™balls I haven’t missed a put from inside 20 yards, that my hair is thicker and more luxurious, I’ve lost 20 pounds in weight, I’ve beaten Vladmir Puttin in match-play, random women think I’m Phil Mickelson, and Stormy Daniels says I’m better in bed than Tiger Woods. A: In high-speed driver testing, several balls produced shots more than 20 yards or more offline. The best putter wins the game week in and week out and for ratings to be applied without using some dataset on putting is really missing the mark. Like a lot of balls in the Golfspy Test—it “FEELS” great, but it is no better than the SuperHot55 which is the prevous model at COstco. It’s not so much the averages as it is the standard deviations. Neat to see slight differences in Srixon. Surprising how their data differs a lot for MGS. That’s just a fact. so where does this leave the slow swingers 70-80 mph people I realize that you tested for the high and mid range people what about us? This is true, but it’s mostly a clever use of math meant to confuse golfers. My numbers are close to yours (100-102 on the driver). I was a Titleist AVX user because I liked the lower iron spin but I am not willing to sacrifice consistency for a few extra yards off my irons! I am wondering where you mention “inconsistencies” on certain shots flying way offline, were those “outlier” shots still included in your average numbers?
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