Review by Andrew W. Saul Also if anyone else read medical studies on scz link then here invade I missed some! I then started eating foods with next to no fat, salads jacked up with carrots, celery, lettuce, cucumber, chicken, beans, etc. He should do cardio daily and minimize his sugar, starch and carbohydrate intake. It also works as a great sleeping aid, helps with addiction, and can be used to soothe arthritis and treat schizophrenia and high cholesterol. From wikipedia: Hoffer’s claims regarding schizophrenia and his theories of orthomolecular medicine have been criticized. Well this is a place for you.. However after reading reviews on the website of the test I bought I saw that someone passed that test but then failed their company mandated drug test. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the myfriendwantstoknow community, Continue browsing in r/myfriendwantstoknow. Also, I'd read your blog about it. Vitamin B3, also known as niacin, is known for promoting better sleep, lowering cholesterol and reducing anxiety and depression. This is a method that makes the rounds on r/trees once a year or so. I recently got drug tested for my new job and I had been smoking about 3-4 times a week and all weekend for the past 10 years. DO NOT drink 2 gallons of water on the ride to your drug test. Would love to read your blog! Also if anyone else read medical studies on scz link then here incase I missed some! Niacin is for adding yellow color and certain natural body-byproduct chemicals back into your urine to cover up massive over-hydration prior to a drug test. I remember that much but not the name of the school of thought. In the early 1960s, Hoffer and Osmond published studies showing that niacin (also known as nicotinic acid or vitamin B3) given at sufficiently high doses could effectively treat some schizophrenia patients. Vitamin B3 (Niacin) Niacin is found in, and critical for the health of every cell in your body. I feel 70% of normal, after such a short time. There is no judgement in this place: we are here for each other. Yeh I know the guy I think! Do drink a lot of water. I ended up passing the test at the medical center and was in the clear. And dosage/daily? “Niacin (vitamin B3) and niacinamide are U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved for the treatment of pellagra, or niacin deficiency. This is a community meant for a discussion of schizophrenia spectrum disorders, and related issues. I’d be interested to learn that again if you recall the lead guy and the name of the work they did. I also started drinking detox tea, or dandelion tea (not sure if it actually did anything but I wanted to do anything I could). What Is Niacin? Niacin is considered an important treatment option for helping to lower cholesterol levels. [21] In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association reported methodological flaws in Hoffer’s work on niacin as a schizophrenia treatment and referred to follow-up studies that did not confirm any benefits of the treatment,[22] prompting at least two responses. Choosing the Right Type of Niacin Unfortunately, there hasn’t been sufficient research to look into how effective no-flush and flush-free niacin for depression variations are. The field is not regarded highly in the modern medicine field. The day of, you want the liver to stop the fat cells from releasing so that there's less in the individual sample taken. I also started biking about 30 miles a day with sweatpants and a sweatshirt (this was in july/aug) so I would be sweating my balls off and also getting rid of my fat. I take 6-8 grams of Niacin (the flushing kind, the flushes stop after the first day) a day, 2 grams at a time, with 1/4 tsp of baking soda to make it more drinkable. Niacin didn’t cure my Schizophrenia, may be something more is needed. There were some scientists that categorised schizophrenics into sub-types and the cure they set out was huge doses of vitamins, different for each sub-type. While the condition can be controlled with appropriate medication, a cure remains elusive. Excellent what type nicotinic acid or nicotinamide? It’s one of the many B vitamins. Currently taking niacin, and I noticed it improved my symptoms. Niacin or plain old niacin, niacinamide, a no flush form that works just right for all mental and emotional issues but does not work for cholesterol issues. Niacin; Schizophrenia Home . Drink it on the morning of the test, followed by lots of water. Vitamin B3is a precursor to nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD), which plays a role in the electron-transport chain and, consequently, in the synthesis of adenosine triphosphate (ATP), the body’s main storage form of energy. So I did buy one of those drinks from a company called MDT Solutions that you drink the day of your test to help you out. I ended up taking the drink just to be safe, however I was pretty sure I was clean, I just didn't want to risk is. In two of my posts I posted that Niacin cured my Schizophrenia but it bounced back. Niacin was something I had tried before and dismissed, since I didn't give it more than a day, but then I read about other mechanisms of action that it had, aside from the "adrenochrome theory" which doesn't seem to paint a complete picture of why niacin works to put schizophrenia in remission, since it can stop symptoms long after a person quits taking it (for something like weeks afterwards). And large doses of niacin on an empty stomach is certain to cause profound flushing. If the friend does cardio to spark his metabolism, avoids sugars/starches/carbs to prevent fat storage (his diet should really be only chicken breast, vegetables and water), takes creatine and multivitamins (B vitamins will give the urine color - sites can reject samples that are too clear), and drinks enough water to dilute the color/contents and flush out the THC metabolites, then that's the most anyone can really do aside from liposuction lol. User Reviews for Niacin to treat Depression. This is because niacin has been proven to lower the risk of heart disease in patients with mixed dyslipidemia, which is an elevation of plasma cholesterol, triglycerides or both. In another article published in Clinical Psychiatry News, 2007, by Dr. Michael Berk the researchers focused on the potential of using antioxidant therapy (niacin included) to treat both schizophrenia … Feel free to post, discuss, or just lurk. In addition, vitamin B3is involved in brain fun… The only real side effects of B3? Your friend needs to increase his metabolism and avoid working out, depending on when his test is. By 1954 he performed the first double-blind, placebo-controlled (ie gold standard) nutrition studies in the history of psychiatry. Volume 35, Number 2, … This will mask urine for about a day. ... facebook twitter linkedin reddit Email. The bottom line is she no longer has hallucinations, voices, etc. Thank you, I feel all the suffering on this subreddit and it kills me. It was during these treatments that it was incidentally noted that niacin also had many other health benefits including lowering of bad cholesterol and triglyceride levels as well as raising HDL or good cholesterol. I am answering this based on the supposition that you are asking about schizophrenia and if this mental illness can "go away". Vitamin B3occurs naturally in 2 forms: niacin (also called nicotinic acid) and niacinamide (also called nicotinamide). Message me if you have any questions! The day of the test he should drink sugars because they prevent the liver from releasing the contents of fat cells into the body. ATP is the fuel source for mitochondria.The power supply in each of your brain cells. In fact, double-blind studies have shown that B3 was not effective in reducing symptoms of schizophrenia (Wittenborn, 1973), and the American Psychiatric Association Task Force on Vitamin Therapy in Psychiatry maintains that niacin therapy is ineffective and recommends against its … Schizophrenia is a devastating disease. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Also I couldn’t sleep for almost seven days and then my body started to react then I took Olanzapine 10mg sedative anti psychotic went to sleep. They said some pretty wild things like, any effect created by a drug can be induced by natural substances, namely vitamins. tl;dr: you dilute your piss by drinking lots of water, then add the color back. Masking or adulterating will result in the same thing. If you're going to try and "purge" before a drug test, you have to take supplements to make your urine appear normal. In a month I'll lower it to 3 grams a day as maintenance. Those are used for storing fats, so he needs to avoid those if he wants to burn fat during his work outs. Hoffer was able to cure over 80 % of treatment resistant cases of severe schizophrenia with 3,000 mg of niacin divided into several times a day (1,000 mg or I gram three times a day). I also biked because I hate running so much. Doing so is using niacin as a drug, not a … They can detect drugs for a month or longer, even up to six months. OP, this is probably all good stuff, except, drink a couple gallons of water before your drug test. Niacin is for adding yellow color and certain natural body-byproduct chemicals back into your urine to cover up massive over-hydration prior to a drug test. A slight niacin flush should end in about ten minutes or so. Unless they decide to do a hair test, Niacin or anything else is not going to do you any good at all. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the schizophrenia community. Then he needs to drink a shit ton of water to flush those metabolites out of his system. Metabolism and time are the only ways to get weed out your system. Keep in mind I had 2 weeks before my test so I did have a little time. Niacin is vitamin B-3, one of the water soluble B-complex vitamins. Please refrain from self-diagnosis, diagnosing others, or advising specific medical treatments. Inositol hexanicotinate which works well for everything but you have to use more it costs a little more money and it doesn’t work as well and then sustained release niacin which is prescription, expensive and has the most side effects. Does your *friend* want to know something? Niacin Combined With Other Drugs Which Lower Cholesterol . I’ve heard of it before. It is a multi-faceted vitamin with numerous benefits, and can literally heal a damaged brain. What really smacked me between the eyes was the way it can cure (yes, cure) schizophrenia. I only take 1 mg of Abilify to stop thought broadcasting, due to its NMDA antagonist properties. I stopped taking niacin, I will now take 1 gram of niacin per day instead of 6 grams of it. I just drank a shitload of water, ate very healthy (THC sticks to fat cells as you probably know) and was working out/sweating my ass off majorly every single day. If you flush beet red for half an hour and feel weird, well, you took too much. I STOPPED immediately, and started to chug water all day. For the most part, everything else you said is correct (although I would add that he could supplement with creatine in order to mask the dilution further). If you're doing this in the time leading up you the test, it's bad because you want to be flushing out those fat contents. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It's synthetic urine you can buy at most head shops you're guaranteed to pass with this stuff I can vouch for it, I've passed many a UA with the quick fix!! The classic ‘niacin flush’ which Saul explains more about below. Vitamin B-3 and Schizophrenia: Discovery, Recovery, Controversy by Abram Hoffer, MD Quarry Press, Kingston, Ontario Canada (1998) ISBN 1-55082-079-6 Softcover, 150 pages plus bibliography and two appendices. If you take too much niacin, the flush may be more pronounced and longer lasting. This is my advice, I know I had a longer time to cleanse my self, but bare in mind that I couldn't tell you the last time I had gone more than 3 days without getting stones in the past 10+ years. Many people use niacin supplements to reduce their methylation rate. I had hallucinations breaking through a max dose of Paliperidone (12 mg) and got worried. Vitamin B3is also a precursor to NAD phosphate (NADP), which functions as a coenzyme in oxidation-reduction reactions. In this episode, I describe why I don’t recommend using niacin in this way. Basically, if you drink a couple gallons of water before your drug test in an effort to produce so much urine that the amount of chemicals detectable is almost nonexistent, your urine will be clear and that will set off a red flag at the testing facility. Schizophrenia Deconstructed - Mad In America Niacin, also referred to as nicotinic acid and “vitamin B3” is a colorless, hydrophilic organic compound derived from pyridine that was initially documented by chemist Hugo Weidel in 1873 while investigating the properties of nicotine. I have no voices (only hear a tiny bit when I'm half-conscious in bed), my intrusive thoughts are minimal, and I am only a little bit bothered by random noises, so my stress tolerance is growing. ... cholesterol levels even though both forms of Vitamin B-3 are anti pellagra and are almost equally effective in treating schizophrenia and arthritis and a number of other diseases. This amazing, brave woman tells her story in text and video. However, that being the natural treatments I utilize are useful for the health of your brain in general, which inadvertently will help with schizophrenia as well as anxiety and depression . Niacin — also known as vitamin B-3 — helps break down nutrients into energy. Press J to jump to the feed. This could be good anecdote for my blog if you'd care to reply. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Everything else is done in hopes of diluting or masking, both of which are crap shoots. It is generally regarded as sound science and your best bet if you don't think you can get away with a urine substitute (synthetic or someone else's). Can't say enough good things about it, http://www.urineluck.com/quick-fix-synthetic-urine-p-10.html. Characterized by hallucinations, delusions and disorganized thought, it destroys lives. Tell your friend about this stuff called Quick Fix. Has anyone tried the 3GS of nicotinic acid a day to cure there schizophrenia, it worked for me, maybe there are different subtypes and it only works for some, I'm going to write a blog summarising all the medical studies on vitamin treatment for schizophrenia, Is anyone actually interested, I have all the studies on my phone, I just need some time to write the blog, Can you write your experiences in the post and if you be interested in the blog, I know many people cba to read medical citations but I love it, I guess I'm just a freak lol, Thank you, I have ADHD so it may take some time to come out but I get hyper focus to so it'll be perfect. NADH is the reduced form of NAD (Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide), making it the “active” form which can donate electrons.. NADH is the primary carrier of electrons from glucose and lactate for ATP synthesis. I'm about 2 weeks into the megadose therapy and my symptoms are so in control that I stopped Paliperidone, with fingers crossed. The reason for this is that once you supply the brain with all the nutrients it needs it helps it self correct so to speak. Foods highest in niacin include: organ meat (liver, heart, kidneys), chicken, beef, fish, venison, and whole grains. Pellagra is a nutritional disease that occurs due to insufficient dietary amounts of vitamin B3 or the chemical it is made from (tryptophan). A few sentences in an obscure book on Depression talked about experiments that were done in the 50’s in mental wards all over America where patients with extreme depression and schizophrenia were given regular megadoses of Niacin (B3) and Vitamin C. They had found amazing results by giving doses of 3000mg of Niacin which is about 12,000% USRDA. Also known as: Slo-Niacin, Niaspan, B-3-50, B3-500-Gr, Niacin SR Endur-acin HDL Benefit Niacor Niacin has an average rating of 8.7 out of 10 from a total of 38 ratings for the treatment of Depression. Good luck friend! Cardio will increase his metabolism so as he burns fat, he burns the THC metabolites in his fat cells. Some use it regularly because they are “overmethylators” and some use it intermittently when they experience symptoms they associate with overmethylation. Back in the early 1950s a medical doctor, psychiatrist and bio-chemist, Dr Abram Hoffer, started researching niacin. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Niacin was something I had tried before and dismissed, since I didn't give it more than a day, but then I read about other mechanisms of action that it had, aside from the "adrenochrome theory" which doesn't seem to paint a complete picture of why niacin works to put schizophrenia in remission, since it can stop symptoms long after a person quits taking it (for something like weeks afterwards). Niacin (vitamin B3) is a colorless hydrophilic organic compound classified as an essential dietary nutrient among humans. It works like a charm. But just what constitutes “appropriate medication” is controversial. The weekend before my test I bought a drug test from Walgreens and I did test negative! I mean it. Hair tests are becoming more popular for testing drugs since it has become cheaper now to test, around $35. Can you please upvote this so it stays at the top and ppl actually read it! You will over-hydrate your body, your cells may burst from the inside out, and you might die an interestingly painful death. Days that I didn't want to I just thought of how my new job was the next best stage of my life and I would kick my self in the ass if I didn't just go workout. Dilute too much and the lack of creatine tells them you've diluted and they'll make you wait until the next urge to urinate to get a sample, at which point you have no control over it. This mental disorder is thought to be caused by an imbalance of chemicals in the brain. I threw up two times before using that baking soda trick, now it's like a treat to drink pretty much. Welcome! That mixture tastes like soda water, doesn't cause nausea at all. Edit: This should be in the time prior to the test. It was back in the 60s and 70s never took off because you can't patent vitamins, but they do work, especially for schizophrenia, your mind/body is obviously broken, you can either mask it with drug... and live with the side effects or fix it properly with vitamins, they take a long time to build up in your system to proper levels, but no one saying you have to stop your meds, just keep taking the meds until you feel your ready to get off them, im surprised this post had such low interest, were talking about a cure here people should be more interested! Was thinking of making a blog myself about putting schizophrenia into remission since it's basically my life story now. Niacin isn't for cleansing.